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Exposed: White Supremacists Heavily Involved in 'Birther' Movement

Mon Aug 3, 2009 6:13 AM EDT
politics, president-obama, birther, movement, white-supremacists
By SkeeterVT
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Why Is CNN's Lou Dobbs Giving a Platform for Conspiracy Theorists Linked to White Supremacists Who Falsely Insist -- Despite Overwhelming Documentary Evidence to the Contrary -- That the Hawaii-Born Obama is a Foreigner Who's Constitutionally Ineligible to be President?

(Posted 5:00 a.m. EDT Monday, August 3, 2009)

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A 'SKEETER BITES REPORT EDITORIAL
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Has Lou Dobbs taken leave of his senses?

The longtime CNN financial news anchor-turned-outspoken commentator who in recent years has generated a lot of controversy over his campaign against illegal immigration -- a campaign that critics have charged is motivated by anti-Latino bias -- may very well have bitten off more than he can chew by airing on his nightly show claims that President Obama is not a native-born U.S. citizen, despite overwhelming documentary evidence to the contrary.

The Associated Press reported Saturday that Dobbs, who's said on the air his belief that the president was born in Hawaii, "has become a publicity nightmare for CNN, [embarrassing] his boss and [hosting] a show that seemed to contradict the network's 'no bias' brand" that seeks to set CNN apart from the left-leaning MSNBC and the right-leaning Fox News Channel.

Dobbs has on several occasions invited members of the so-called "Birther Movement" who stubbornly insist Obama is not a native-born U.S. citizen to air their claims without providing a shred of proof to back them up -- and has even gone so far as to demand that the president make public his birth certificate, even though he did just that during the 2008 election campaign.

But Dobbs kept the controversy alive on his "Lou Dobbs Tonight" program despite a memorandum from CNN President Jon Klein that declared the Obama birth-certificate story "dead" -- and despite a precipitous plunge in the ratings for Dobbs' nightly 6 p.m. EDT program as a result of the controversy, according to the New York Observer.

The newspaper reports that since Dobbs brought up the Obama birth certificate issue in mid-July, his show's ratings have nosedived by 15 percent of his total viewership and by an even more precipitous 27 percent in the all-important 25-54 age bracket most sought after by advertisers.

That Dobbs has given a platform for the "Birthers" on his program has drawn fire even from conservative commentators Ann Coulter and Mike Huckabee -- neither of whom will likely ever be accused of being allies of the president.

A NEW BREED OF CONSPIRACY THEORISTS: THE 'BIRTHER MOVEMENT'

By now, you know the story of the so-called "Birther Movement" -- conspiracy theorists who bullheadedly insist without a shred of proof that Obama is a Kenyan-born foreigner who is barred by the Constitution from even running for president, let alone being the nation's CEO and commander-in-chief of the armed forces.

Never mind the fact that Obama was born on August 4, 1961 -- two years after Hawaii became America's 50th state -- in Honolulu's Kapiolani Maternity & Gynecological Hospital and that the document exists to prove it. Obama's birth certificate was issued by the Hawaii Department of Health, which confirmed last week that it has the document -- copies of which have been circulating on the Internet for months -- on file.

Never mind the fact that both of Honolulu's major newspapers, the Advertiser and the Star-Bulletin, published announcements about the president's birth to "Mr. & Mrs. Barack H. Obama [of] 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy." in Honolulu, in their August 13 and August 14, 1961 editions, respectively.

Never mind the fact that a Honolulu resident, Eleanor Nordyke, gave birth to twin girls in the same hospital the day after Obama was born -- and whose daughters attended the same Honolulu school Obama attended -- and likely knew the boy who would grow up to become America's first African-American president.

Never mind the fact that certified copies of the president's birth certificate can be ordered through the Hawaii Department of Health's Online Vital Records Ordering System, albeit on a strictly limited basis in accordance with the state's privacy law.

Never mind the fact that the original Obama birth certificate itself was viewed, verified as authentic, photographed and posted online last November by the nonpartisan Web site, FactCheck.org, which declared that the document "meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false."

ALLEGED KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE RIDDLED WITH INCONSISTENCIES

The far-right-wing WorldNetDaily.com posted what it said were photographs purporting to show a certified copy of a birth certficate for Barack Hueesin Obama II on August 4, 1961 at the Central Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.

The photos were released by California attorney Orly Taitz, who has filed a number of lawsuits demanding proof of Obama's eligibility to serve as president -- only to see the suits dismissed as being without merit.

An examination of the photos reveal several inconsistencies in the alleged Kenyan birth certificate. They do not show the signatures of either the president's white, Kansas-born mother, Ann Dunham or of his black, Kenyan-born father, Barack Obama, Sr. Nor do they show any signatures by the registrar or by the attending physicians. Kenya was under British rule in 1961. Under British law, birth certificates are not legally valid without such signatures.

Other discrepancies in the alleged Kenyan birth certificate include listing Obama's mother under his father's surname -- when, in fact, Dunham legally kept her maiden name throughout her marriage. And it lists Dunham's age as 16, when, in fact, she was 18 when she gave birth to the future president.

The lower-left-hand corner of the alleged documents refers to the "Republic of Kenya." But Kenya did not gain its independence from Britain until 1963 -- when the young Barack was two years old.

Most importantly, Dunham never set foot on Kenyan soil -- it would have been extremely unsafe for her to be there. Tribal warfare between the Kikuyus and the Luos was raging in Kenya at the time of her pregnancy. The ethnic warfare erupted in the immediate aftermath of the Mau Mau uprising against the British colonialists. There's no way that Barack Obama Sr., a Luo, would have dared to bring his pregnant white American wife to Kenya at the time, knowing full well that her safety -- and that of their unborn son -- would have been in grave jeopardy.

In fact, the president's mother did not leave the United States until 1967, when she moved to Indonesia to live with her second husband, Lolo Seotoro (She divorced the senior Obama in 1964 after she learned that he was married to another woman in Kenya).

And contrary to the claims of the "Birthers," Dunham never renounced her U.S. citizenship, returning to the States -- with 11-year-old Barack -- in 1972.

WHITE SUPREMACISTS INVOLVED IN 'BIRTHER' MOVEMENT

So why, despite so much clear evidence that the president was indeed born in Hawaii two years after statehood and is therefore a native-born U.S. citizen, are these conspiracy theorists continuing to insist that Obama was not born in the U.S., but rather in his father's native Kenya?

Conspiracy theorists are notorious for stubbornly clinging to their beliefs, no matter how much or how solid evidence exists to disprove their theories. And the "Birther Movement" is no exception.

But this particular conspiracy-theory movement is more sinister than most. The 'Skeeter Bites Report has uncovered a wealth of evidence that the "Birther Movement" against the president is inextricably tied to white supremacists and other far-right extremists -- and is profoundly marked by an absolute refusal among its practitioners to accept Obama as president because he is black, or because of an equally-false belief that he is a Muslim.

The person who planted the seeds for the "Birther Movement" is Andy Martin, a perennial fringe candidate for public office who is also credited with first spreading false rumors of the president being a Muslim with ties to Islamic extremists. Martin -- a frequent guest on Sean Hannity's Fox News Channel program -- was exposed as a notoriously anti-Jewish bigot.

In a campaign fundraising letter he issued during an unsuccessful run for a Connecticut congressional seat in 1986, Martin -- then known as Anthony R. Martin-Trigona -- pledged to "exterminate Jew Power in America," claimed that "Jew babies are fed with subsidized American taxpayer money" and that Jews were "schooled in blood-sucking and money-grubbing from birth." Martin's anti-Semitic diatribe was obtained and posted by TheSmokingGun.com.

Martin subsequently moved to Florida and sought the Republican nomination for a state Senate seat a decade later. After learning of Martin's prior anti-Semitic fundraising pitch, GOP officials withdrew their support for him. The 62-year-old Martin now lives in Chicago, the president's adopted hometown.

Martin started his anti-Obama smear campaign in 2004 after Obama, then a U.S. Senate candidate, delivered the keynote address that electrified the delegates at the Democratic National Convention in Boston and put the future president on the national political radar screen.

In several guest appearances on the "Hannity" show, Martin accused Obama -- without offering any proof -- of being "in training for radical overthrow of the government," based on his relationship with former 1960s radical William Ayres.

According to TheSmokingGun.com, Martin was wanted in New York and Florida on outstanding arrest warrants as of last October. The New York warrant, out of Ulster County, resulted from harassment charges related to a child custody battle. The Florida warrant, from Palm Beach County, was filed in connection with a criminal contempt conviction.

WHITE-SUPREMACIST WEB SITES TOUTING OBAMA'S ALLEGED FOREIGN BIRTH

The belief that Obama is a foreigner has spread like wildfire among white- supremacist circles and Web sites, including Stormfront, the largest and best-known self-styled "white nationalist" site on the Web; the Council of Conservative Citizens, listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as "the largest white nationalist group in America," a reincarnation of the old White Citizens Councils that were formed to resist desegregation in the 1950s and 1960s; and VDARE.com, a virulently anti-immigrant site.

That white-supremacist groups are heavily involved in the "Birther Movement" against the president should come as no surprise, given the massive coronary they collectively suffered last November when Obama was elected. According to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which monitors and exposes extremist activity and rhetoric, anger among white supremacists and other right-wing extremists in response to Obama's victory "resulted in an avalanche of vitriolic postings on racist Web sites" -- at one point, causing Stormfront's server to crash.

HOLOCAUST MUSEUM GUNMAN WAS ALSO A WHITE-SUPREMACIST 'BIRTHER'

Questions remain unanswered about James von Brunn, the 89-year-old white supremacist gunman who shot and killed a black security officer inside the U.S. Holocaust Museum in Washington in June. Investigators found a notebook in von Brunn's car that listed up to nine other target areas in the nation's capital -- including the White House.

According to Abraham Foxman, national director of the ADL, von Brunn not only believed that Obama was not born in the U.S. and ineligible to be president, but "he also believed that Hitler didn't kill enough Jews. He had a history of anti-Semitic, hateful views."

Von Brunn is also the founder of a white-supremacist Web site, HolyWesternEmpire,org, which is laced with anti-Semitic quotations.

The site was taken offline after von Brunn's arrest, but according to former Fox News host Alan Colmes, von Brunn published on his Web site in 2002 a book that detailed anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, with chapters such as "The Holocaust Hoax" and "The Negro." The book was mostly anti-Semitic but also attacked all nonwhite ethnicities.

"We are witnessing today on the world stage a tragedy of enormous proportions: the calculated destruction of the White Race," Colmes quoted von Brunn as having written. He threatened to take action against nonwhites, writing, "We will offer a plan to remove the cancer from our cultural organism."

IS DOBBS' ATTITUDE TOWARD OBAMA ALSO RACIALLY TAINTED?

This is not the first time that Dobbs has come under fire about Obama. Last September, while attending a Values Voters summit over the weekend in Washington, Dobbs purchased a box of so-called "Obama Waffles" that featured racially offensive charactures of the then-Illinois senator.

Photographs of Dobbs with the controversial waffle mix, which portrays Obama with popping eyes and big, thick lips as he stares at a plate of waffles and smiles broadly -- an image more reminiscent of Stephin Fetchit than of Aunt Jemima -- were taken down from the Web site of the Family Research Council, the conservative organization that hosted the summit -- but not before DailyKos.com snapped a screen shot of the photos.

"My wife will love this!" Dobbs was quoted as saying about the "Obama Waffles."

Nearly a year later, we have to wonder if Mrs. Dobbs still does -- if she ever did. And if America still loves Lou Dobbs. Based on the latest Nielsens, it sure doesn't look like it.

Sincerely,
Skeeter Sanders
Editor & Publisher
The 'Skeeter Bites Report

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blll

von Brunn was also an outspoken opponent of the Federal Reserve. He was arrested after he tried to incarcerate the head of the Federal Reserve.

Where have we heard that before?

  • 5 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 7:07 AM EDT
ApocolypseDeleted
Max Black

LOL, a perfect logical fallacy.

  • Von Brunn is a white supremacist.
  • He is an opponent of the Federal Reserve.
  • Therefore, all opponents of the Fed are white supremacists.

It's called an inductive argument, and is popular on both sides of the aisle.

It's also an example of the "strawman" fallacy. No one made that assertion except you; you set it up to shout at it.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 11:35 AM EDT
spiritof1776

I bet Alan Kyes is a racist right? or justa uncle tom right!

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 3:49 PM EDT
trm2008

No Keyes is just a nut case.

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 4:04 PM EDT
spiritof1776

Thats right if you say anything about the Anointed one you are a nut case.

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 4:19 PM EDT
Sick'N'Tired'Of'It

That's right if you say anything about the Anointed one you are a nut case.

While I can't speak for anyone else, for myself at least- it depends on what is being said and not who it's about.

Disagreeing with a person's stance out of a difference of opinion is one thing whereas doing so without logic or even coherence is another all together. And, this goes for anyone, anywhere at any time regardless of whatever opinion you or anyone else may hold about anything. So, for me, it's not about politics- it's about displayed sanity (or insanity in some cases).

Or, in short: If you don't want to be called a nutcase, then please be so kind as to refrain from sounding like one. Because it's not what you're talking about: it's how stable you display yourself as being while doing so.

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 5:39 PM EDT
Ginger-282503Deleted
dingdong kwangDeleted
cjn-718250

Used to watch Lou quite often until he obviously had been bought by the GOP!!!

They all go together.......supremists, birthers, bigots, racists, fear mongers, dictators, etc.!!!

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 9:54 PM EDT
Just Me 0731

Spirit...Keyes was a nut case long before Barry came along.

    #1.10 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 10:38 AM EDT
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    ApocolypseDeleted
    GoldenGateMami_Susi

    I for one am utterly shocked. White Supremicists attacking a black man? Never in a million years would I have seen this coming. There must be a paradigm shift somewhere.

    • 21 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:26 AM EDT
    ApocolypseDeleted
    SkeeterVT

    You are in total denial of reality. White supremacists are Fascists. Racism is the very raison d'etre of Fascism -- without which it cannot survive.

    • 14 votes
    #3.2 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 11:22 AM EDT
    margoharris

    Apocolypse

    "white supremiscists are lefties, thus lefties attack black people:

    When your IQ gets to 50....sell

    LOL

    • 19 votes
    #3.3 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 11:40 AM EDT
    Max Black

    Apocolypse's world: Bad = left. Left = bad.

    This is right along the same lines as "only minorities can be racist, and every time a minority complains of being treated badly, they trumpet their racism."

    Very comforting to live in this kind of world, I suppose. Dead-ass wrong, but comforting. Wonder if he's the guy who said,

    "I think Rush is right: Racism in this country is dead. I don't know what the n!ggers will find to gripe about now."

    • 11 votes
    #3.4 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 11:46 AM EDT
    GoldenGateMami_Susi

    Spitake!

    Supremacists are from the left?

    I don't know what's worse -- that someone told you you're smart......or that you believed them.

    • 9 votes
    #3.5 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 12:14 PM EDT
    ScienceGuy-356641

    "white supremicists are lefties, thus lefties attack black people"

    This is what happens when you live in our 51st state -- the state of denial.

    • 12 votes
    #3.6 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 12:47 PM EDT
    JoulesBeef

    How many black congressmen do we have with an (r) next to their name?
    how many black govs do we have with an (r) next to their name
    what party did 98% of the blacks vote for in the last election?
    what party has the southern strategy?
    what party accused mccain of having an illegitimate black child?
    what party came out with the obama food stamps?

    But despite all that.. dont confuse a label with an accusation.
    just cause the entire planet concidered white supremacists to be a right win ideology doesnt mena they say all right wing people are white supremacists.

    For example Obamas preacher is obviously an anti semite. ANTI SEMITISM IS A RIGHT WING IDEOLOGY.

    and just liek eco terrorists are left wing extremists, that doesnt mean every dem is an eco terrorist.,

    • 8 votes
    #3.7 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 1:07 PM EDT
    GoldenGateMami_Susi

    I think, hands down, that's the dumbest thing I have heard yet on the vine. Lefty White Supremacists. Yes, let's elect the our first black president.........then plant a burning cross on the South Lawn. what a fuster cluck of a brain fart.

    • 10 votes
    #3.8 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
    Ferrari5k

    The Left calls anyone that questions Obama's history a Racist. Typical name calling lefty defense. What were his grades at Harvard? Where are his health records? What years did he work for ACORN? When people hide things that others are interested in, it causes people to become suspicious, that's hardly Racsim.

    I believe he is a citizen and that''s all that counts in my book, but....

    His tactics, like Saddam's, make people wonder and ask what's the big secret? Saddam may have been innocent of having WDMs, yet he refused to allow International inspections under International Law. What were people to think? What's he hiding?

    Same with Obama, If he wants to shut these Americans up, then he needs to produce a "Certificate of Live Birth" that list the Hospital and a Doctor, not just a "Certification of Live Birth" which is a document that is produced at a later date as a General Record. Anyone can get someone else's Certification, but not their "Certificate" as it is a document used to prove ldentity and Place of Birth.

    They want to know where he was born, and only a Certificate of Live Birth is legally acceptable.

    The Media should just ignore it but they can't help trying to turn these questions by Americans into some sort of conspiracy by Republicans.

    • 1 vote
    #3.9 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:54 PM EDT
    Dave-792879

    They want to know where he was born, and only a Certificate of Live Birth is legally acceptable.

    Sorry, you don't get to decide what is legally acceptable. Each state does that for their own records, and Hawaii has already declared that the form presented is legally acceptable.

    You might want to ask for a refund from that correspondence law school, Orly.

    • 6 votes
    #3.10 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:42 PM EDT
    Aalaf Alot

    "white supremiscists are lefties, thus lefties attack black people:

    Apocolypse

    Do you know the Dave Chappelle Show Skit on the Blind Black man White supremacist is fiction? It is a Comedy Skit! It not real!

    Just Google Dave Chappelle and KKK.

    • 4 votes
    #3.11 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:48 PM EDT
    dingdong kwangDeleted
    trm2008

    AAlaf Alot-That skit was hilarious.

      #3.13 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 10:43 AM EDT
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      TheyreAllCrooks

      When I read comments like some of the ones above I see very clearly why President Obama has said very clearly to all of you birthers: "kiss my black ass"

      • 1 vote
      Reply#4 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 12:41 PM EDT
      Max Black

      Actually, he's never said anything like that. But your comment will fuel six months of shrieking, crotch-grabbing outrage from the right. :)

      • 7 votes
      #4.1 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 2:21 PM EDT
      GoldenGateMami_Susi

      Isn't a birther.

      • 1 vote
      #4.2 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 3:18 PM EDT
      RNoel-525230

      I see very clearly why President Obama has said very clearly to all of you birthers: "kiss my black ass"

      That was Tyra Banks. Or maybe it was Whitney Houston.

      • 2 votes
      #4.3 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 5:11 PM EDT
      Just Me 0731

      It was Tyra after the unflattering comments about a bathing suit shot.

        #4.4 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 10:41 AM EDT
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        ScienceGuy-356641

        You have to look at the motivations of the majority of the birthers to understand why they simply cannot "let go". Fundamentally, it comes down to the following mindset: "I cannot accept THAT man in the White House because.... (fill in the blank)."

        Just about ANY reason will do -- any excuse that will legitimize their race-based outrage. If it wasn't about a birth certificate, it would be about his middle name. (He's a closet Muslim, you know.)

        In addition, there are a handful of unscrupulous politicians and pundits who, although not necessarily racist themselves, have no problem capitalizing on the bigotry of others by fueling their fear and hatred of Obama in order to score political points or further a personal agenda.

        The birther phenomenon is intended to damage the validity of the Obama Administration, but it will instead diminish the credibility of the conservative base so long as its members continue to give credence to the deluded fantasy that the POTUS was not born in Hawaii.

        • 12 votes
        Reply#5 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 12:45 PM EDT
        JoulesBeef

        the gop know that if they get rid of the extremists and the theocrats they will have no one left.
        So they try to fuel the crazies.

        • 5 votes
        #5.1 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 1:08 PM EDT
        tomboy-1253184Deleted
        JayB

        tomboy...Right.

        Supremeists have absolutely NOTHING to do with this whole withholding of truth. Show the REAL one & everyone will be happy! Otherwise the cloud of doubt will remain!

        • 1 vote
        #5.3 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:02 PM EDT
        S.A.L

        tomboy-1253184

        SHHHHHH!!!!!! They aint gonna wanna hear that!!!!!

        • 2 votes
        #5.4 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:07 PM EDT
        Mike-540389

        I was going to write a comment but Science Guy beat me to it. Exactly correct! The only thing to add is that in addition to the fact that these folks are nativists, racists, whacked, etc., is that they are also very, very dangerous. They will stop at nothing.

        • 2 votes
        #5.5 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:00 PM EDT
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        libertarianblue

        Just a little clarification on Dobbs, he isnt anti-hispanic. He is anti-illegal immigration, hes not like Pat Buchanan who hates foreigners. Dobbs has said that he supports more legal immigration.

          Reply#6 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 1:18 PM EDT
          IdisdainrbachDeleted
          trm2008

          Look another reregistered troll. How cute.

          • 6 votes
          Reply#8 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 2:44 PM EDT
          nohandouts

          JoulesBeef?

          • 1 vote
          #8.1 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 3:16 PM EDT
          trm2008

          LOL Joules is part of the furniture here (meant as a compliment). Please reference comment 7.

          • 6 votes
          #8.2 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
          mangummanDeleted
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          cookin mama

          Duh no surprise there.

          • 5 votes
          Reply#9 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 6:25 PM EDT
          Zenkarma

          white supremacists are birthers? no 'effin' way. i'm pretty sure when you look up the meaning of 'birther' it will say noun: "insane ignorant white people who just can't handle the fact that a black man is president. See also; usually have no grip on reality and are known to drive pickups with confederate flag bumper stickers". the only thing missing from their townhall- pitchfork rallies is them passing out white sheets with bibles. oh wait republicans already did that in the mccain/palin rallies. some things never change.

          • 4 votes
          Reply#10 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 6:39 PM EDT
          SkeeterVT

          Actually, I'm waiting for the time when the anti-abortion "Right-to-Lifers" seek to copyright the label "Birther." When you think about it, the word could be interpreted as "Right-to-Life, Version 2.0."

            #10.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 1:49 AM EDT
            Zenkarma

            Skeeter: ha! nice one but hey don't think they haven't already tried! ya know they ARE krazy. nice seed btw;)

            JayB --too close to home? *evil laugh* apparently you must drive a pickup with confederate flags cuz i really don't see the point of your comment. i'm simply agreeing with the seed that birthers are synonymous with racists & just for some spice i threw in some sarcastic humor just for fun b/c why? it's FUN fun fun:)

              #10.2 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 7:36 PM EDT
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              JECD

              Hello!!!!!

                Reply#11 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:03 PM EDT
                JayB

                You know #10......If someone asked you anything about the history of this country, you would flunk. (Or history of the world also!) Are you proud of the ignorance you spew forth? Are you a good example of an Obama supporter? Guess so! Oh, you walk proud.....You know, I bet BO knows VERY little of our countries' entire history, come to think of it!

                • 2 votes
                Reply#12 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:17 PM EDT
                S.A.L

                He does know one thing. He is the first black president. No wait.... only half black. No Kenyan. No............. never mind!

                • 2 votes
                #12.1 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:21 PM EDT
                Joseph.

                Jay, that was a completely worthless comment.

                • 2 votes
                #12.2 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:17 PM EDT
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                Ferrari5k

                That's not a Birth Certificate. If you don't know the difference...

                  Reply#13 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 8:23 PM EDT
                  Randy McMurphy

                  Birfers;

                  States with strong Solid Democratic affiliation=30

                  States with Solid Republican affiliation=4

                  Don't go changin' to try and please me...I like you just the way you are.MMMMmmmMMM

                  Waitress! some coffee with these nutbars,please?

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#14 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 9:00 PM EDT
                  JasoninWyomingDeleted
                  MG-1146330

                  There is a strong relationship between the groups based in there ideology and there lack of accepting change in America and our electoral process. These people have shown a lack of respect for the law and are known to display disorderly conduct in town meeting. Moreover, White Supremacist groups have a substantial history of violent crimes to include murder.

                  These groups undermined our society. They foster hatred and divisiveness among our citizens. In there irrational beliefs they fail to understand that America is a melting pot of all races. None need look any further than our military. These fine individuals are a microcosm of society. Not Black, White, Asian or Latino they represent our country The United States of America.

                  Birther

                  • A racist sore loser who can't deal with having a black president so they make up absurd conspiracy theories about Barack Obama's birth certificate.
                  • These nut-jobs actually believe that there has been a conspiracy going back 48 years to fake Barack Obama's birth certificate. Apparently they had a crystal ball and knew that this black child (born in the days of segregation) would someday run for President.

                  Birther(16, July 2009) in urban dictionary retrieved 4 August 3, 2009 from http://www.urbandictionary.com/

                  White supremacy–noun

                  • The belief, theory, or doctrine that the white race is superior to all other races, esp. the black race, and should therefore retain control in all relationships.

                  White supremacists. (n.d.). Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Retrieved August 03, 2009, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#16 - Mon Aug 3, 2009 10:52 PM EDT
                  SkeeterVT

                  I've just learned that the Newsvine moderators deleted all of Apocolypse's messages -- as well as many replies, including one of my own. I want to make it clear that I was not the one who complained to the moderators about Apocolypse's postings, although I will admit, they were totally out of touch with not only history, but also present-day political reality.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#17 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 1:46 AM EDT
                  AdipicAcid

                  Either that or he deleted himself. I'm not saying the little snit didn't say something somewhere to get himself banned, but it is also possible that he picked up his toys and went home.

                  • 1 vote
                  #17.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:30 AM EDT
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                  Rethizon

                  If there's one thing I hate more than seeing white supremacists heavily involved in a "movement", It's seeing exposed white supremacists heavily involved in a "movement". Ought to be a law...

                  Liked the seed, thanx Skeeter

                    Reply#18 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 2:26 AM EDT
                    AdipicAcid

                    No, no. We want it out in the open. Sunlight kills mildew and other forms of rot.

                    • 1 vote
                    #18.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:30 AM EDT
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                    christian1984

                    I just wish Obama would release ALL his records, then this crap would stop.

                    What happened to transparency administration ?

                      Reply#19 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 4:32 PM EDT
                      christian1984

                      Why dont obama just release his records, then this crap will go away.

                      What happened to the transparent administration ?

                        Reply#20 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 4:37 PM EDT
                        Dave-792879

                        Why dont obama just release his records, then this crap will go away.

                        Where did you get that idea? Every document he releases will just result in more demands for more documents (at the same time that the birfers are claiming the documents they have are forgeries). These are not rational people. These are not honest people. Give them nothing.

                        • 3 votes
                        #20.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 4:40 PM EDT
                        mangummanDeleted
                        Dave-792879

                        Hospital forms may have handprints and footprints. I've never seen a state form that does. Mine doesn't, and I have the original. There is no reason to expect the hospital to have held on to its form this long. Storage space is not infinite.

                        Regardless, the birfers will claim anything produced is forged.

                        • 2 votes
                        #20.3 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 10:17 PM EDT
                        mangummanDeleted
                        AdipicAcid

                        You are proving Dave's point, in spades.

                        • 1 vote
                        #20.5 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 6:15 AM EDT
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                        SkeeterVT

                        Not only did Orly Taitz, who has emeged as the public face of the "Birther Movement," crack up in a live interview on MSNBC, she also blew up during a live interview on talk radio station KGO in San Francisco.

                        But that's not all: The so-called "Birther Queen" may also be a cyberterrorist: Her Web site, www.orlytaitzesq.com, has been flagged by Google as an "attack site" -- one that installs malicious software, or malware, on any computer that gains access to it.

                        Google has put up a filter to warn Web surfers of the cyber security threat the Taitz Web site poses. And my computer's security software, Norton 360, won't allow me to access the site at all.

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#23 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 9:50 PM EDT
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